Comments on: What Happened to the Laodicean Message? http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/what-happened-to-the-laodicean-message/ Proclaiming the Sabbath More Fully Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Jared Ariemba http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/what-happened-to-the-laodicean-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1915 Jared Ariemba Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:28:23 +0000 #comment-1915 The world is hurting and the Laodicean message i believe is what the Adventist church must preach. In my local church, i sometimes feel the lukewarmness and i feel that gospel applying to me directly. We need to be careful because i do not think there is a post-laodicean church. the so called "break-through " gospel makes sense only if it is spiritual break through which will make us rise from our lukewarmness. any sermons on financial breakthrough make us lose the fundamental truth that "Paul counted everything useless compared to meeting Jesus Christ". and the bible asks, what shall it benefit somebody to gain the whole world and lose his life? I pray that we always go back to the fundamental and true gospel that meets the needs of our souls. The world is hurting and the Laodicean message i believe is what the Adventist church must preach. In my local church, i sometimes feel the lukewarmness and i feel that gospel applying to me directly. We need to be careful because i do not think there is a post-laodicean church. the so called “break-through ” gospel makes sense only if it is spiritual break through which will make us rise from our lukewarmness. any sermons on financial breakthrough make us lose the fundamental truth that “Paul counted everything useless compared to meeting Jesus Christ”. and the bible asks, what shall it benefit somebody to gain the whole world and lose his life? I pray that we always go back to the fundamental and true gospel that meets the needs of our souls.

]]> By: Rich Humpal http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/what-happened-to-the-laodicean-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1777 Rich Humpal Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:36:49 +0000 #comment-1777 We hear about the Laodicean church much more than we here about the other 6 of 7 found in Revelation 2 and 3. Can you tell me about the other churches are and who they represent? Here is my take: All 7 deal with different issues among the same group, that being the Kingdom of Heaven in the last days. The reason for this is that God would not have a message for anyone else but the Kingdom of Heaven--those same people as found in Matthew 25, yes, the ten bridesmaids. It should be important to remember Jesus gave us clues to understand who this group will be by referring them as the maids for the bride. Therefore, this new group is not the bride, but the servants to get the bride ready during the time of trouble. Clearly this is the same group as the Dan. 2's rock cut out without hands. The timing for this group to become a group can be found in Dan. 8:14--yes, 1843. It was not just a story but a real prophecy. This group thought Jesus was going to come and were disappointed when He didn't. They were a group that came out of other denominations and formed their own. They had to fit the group found in Revelation 12:17 and therefore they must profess to keep all of the ten commandments. And, didn't Jesus tell the Jews that a time would come when the KOH would be taken from them and given to a NEW group? (See Matthew 21:43) If you do your own investigation, the ONLY group to fit is the SDA church. Jesus said they all went to sleep--and perhaps is the reason they don't know who they are today. So, if this is the same group as all of the 7 churches found in Rev. 2 and 3, then we should take a real hard look at the 4th church to understand who the woman is that with her teachings has led the servants astray? Wow! Isn't the 5th church the same as we see in Matthew 25? Who do you suppose are the 'few' that overcome sin and listen to the ONE person who is left in charge as found in Matthew 24:45? If this is what I see it is, then my fellow SDA members we should start looking for someone who knows NEW TRUTH! We hear about the Laodicean church much more than we here about the other 6 of 7 found in Revelation 2 and 3. Can you tell me about the other churches are and who they represent? Here is my take: All 7 deal with different issues among the same group, that being the Kingdom of Heaven in the last days. The reason for this is that God would not have a message for anyone else but the Kingdom of Heaven–those same people as found in Matthew 25, yes, the ten bridesmaids.

It should be important to remember Jesus gave us clues to understand who this group will be by referring them as the maids for the bride. Therefore, this new group is not the bride, but the servants to get the bride ready during the time of trouble. Clearly this is the same group as the Dan. 2′s rock cut out without hands. The timing for this group to become a group can be found in Dan. 8:14–yes, 1843.

It was not just a story but a real prophecy. This group thought Jesus was going to come and were disappointed when He didn’t. They were a group that came out of other denominations and formed their own. They had to fit the group found in Revelation 12:17 and therefore they must profess to keep all of the ten commandments. And, didn’t Jesus tell the Jews that a time would come when the KOH would be taken from them and given to a NEW group? (See Matthew 21:43)

If you do your own investigation, the ONLY group to fit is the SDA church. Jesus said they all went to sleep–and perhaps is the reason they don’t know who they are today. So, if this is the same group as all of the 7 churches found in Rev. 2 and 3, then we should take a real hard look at the 4th church to understand who the woman is that with her teachings has led the servants astray? Wow! Isn’t the 5th church the same as we see in Matthew 25? Who do you suppose are the ‘few’ that overcome sin and listen to the ONE person who is left in charge as found in Matthew 24:45? If this is what I see it is, then my fellow SDA members we should start looking for someone who knows NEW TRUTH!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/what-happened-to-the-laodicean-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1754 Anonymous Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1754 I am exactly the same age as the author and after reading the article I have had exactly the same feeling with regard to Laodicean message. In Poland, we used to proclaim that message widely in 80's and to less extent less in 90's. I cannot say what is the situation nowadays in my home country as I emigrated to the United Kingdom four years ago, but what I can say is that in the UK there is an official conspiracy not to proclaim it at all. Moreover, Ellen White message is viewed in SDA community as the VERY distant relict of the very remote past. But what is the outcome of that attitude? Look at the reverse growth of the native British church and you have the answer. I am not saying about ethnic minory groups which form the core British SDA Church and which cling to biblical and E. White messages. They are growing. If you loose the Laodicean message you might be lost yourself in a twinkle of the eye. I am exactly the same age as the author and after reading the article I have had exactly the same feeling with regard to Laodicean message. In Poland, we used to proclaim that message widely in 80′s and to less extent less in 90′s. I cannot say what is the situation nowadays in my home country as I emigrated to the United Kingdom four years ago, but what I can say is that in the UK there is an official conspiracy not to proclaim it at all. Moreover, Ellen White message is viewed in SDA community as the VERY distant relict of the very remote past. But what is the outcome of that attitude? Look at the reverse growth of the native British church and you have the answer. I am not saying about ethnic minory groups which form the core British SDA Church and which cling to biblical and E. White messages. They are growing. If you loose the Laodicean message you might be lost yourself in a twinkle of the eye.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/what-happened-to-the-laodicean-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1755 Anonymous Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1755 Sherman, I enjoyed reading your post. In my church the Laodicean message is brought up now and then. However, might not the church as a whole be evolving towards an unnamed Post-Laodicean church, in effect, an 8th church? Instead of focusing on its lukewarm condition it looks ahead to a grace-induced condition. I've thought that if one focuses on being lukewarm year after year, one might just get one's wish and stay that way. Raul Batista Sherman, I enjoyed reading your post.

In my church the Laodicean message is brought up now and then.

However, might not the church as a whole be evolving towards an unnamed Post-Laodicean church, in effect, an 8th church? Instead of focusing on its lukewarm condition it looks ahead to a grace-induced condition.

I’ve thought that if one focuses on being lukewarm year after year, one might just get one’s wish and stay that way.

Raul Batista

]]> By: shermancox http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/what-happened-to-the-laodicean-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1757 shermancox Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1757 Raul, Thanks for responding to the email with your provocative thought. It is difficult in a church as diverse as ours to make many statements without some part of our church being in an exact opposite condition. For certainly there are churches, such as your own, that all you hear is the Laodicean message. I wish to ask you...is there a dichotomoy between this "grace induced condition" and the laodicean condition? Certainly in an abosluet sense no...but what about our appropriation of it? Could not our "grace induced condition" be another form of the laodicean condition? Raul,

Thanks for responding to the email with your provocative thought. It is difficult in a church as diverse as ours to make many statements without some part of our church being in an exact opposite condition. For certainly there are churches, such as your own, that all you hear is the Laodicean message.

I wish to ask you…is there a dichotomoy between this “grace induced condition” and the laodicean condition? Certainly in an abosluet sense no…but what about our appropriation of it? Could not our “grace induced condition” be another form of the laodicean condition?

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