Comments on: T. D. Jakes and the Sabbath http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/ Proclaiming the Sabbath More Fully Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Sherman Haywood Cox II http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-2471 Sherman Haywood Cox II Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:04:43 +0000 #comment-2471 I like your pulling the cross in with the Sabbath and use of Hebrews. As soon as I get permission, I will post this as a full post so that everyone can see it soon... I like your pulling the cross in with the Sabbath and use of Hebrews. As soon as I get permission, I will post this as a full post so that everyone can see it soon…

]]> By: Luke http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-2470 Luke Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:23:10 +0000 #comment-2470 What was the first test that was given to Israelites when they came out of Egypt? God rained down manna for six days and on the seventh day did rained down none (Ex 16:4-28). Now why did God do that? What was He trying to teach them? Trust! They were to trust and have full assurance and the Sabbath was the test of their trust or full assurance. Why so? On the seventh day, they were to trust in the provision that was given to them on the sixth day. How much was it given to them on the sixth day? Double portion (Ex. 16:22). Here is the facinating part. Jesus comes along and says “I am the bread (John 6:48-49) - I am the manna that came down from heaven. So Jesus picks up this analogy. If He is the bread of life, then we can expect something would happen on a sixth day in the life of Jesus. What happened on a Friday with Jesus? He was crucified! So get this now - The cross of Christ was the double portion; the more than abounding blessings that God had given to us and now what comes the day after Jesus died? It is the Sabbath. Do we realize that the Sabbath is a test to see whether we trust in the full provision made for us at the cross? Every Sabbath we keep, we are saying, I trust in the full provision made for me at the cross. I will rest in him. That means, I am resting from my own works (Heb. 4:10). What are my own works? The works of the flesh. The Sabbath reveals our ultimate trust in the sacrifice of Christ. To deny Sabbath is to deny the cross. Denying the cross is Anti-cross and Anti-Christ is Anti-cross. What was the first test that was given to Israelites when they came out of Egypt? God rained down manna for six days and on the seventh day did rained down none (Ex 16:4-28).

Now why did God do that? What was He trying to teach them? Trust! They were to trust and have full assurance and the Sabbath was the test of their trust or full assurance. Why so? On the seventh day, they were to trust in the provision that was given to them on the sixth day.

How much was it given to them on the sixth day? Double portion (Ex. 16:22).

Here is the facinating part. Jesus comes along and says “I am the bread (John 6:48-49) – I am the manna that came down from heaven. So Jesus picks up this analogy. If He is the bread of life, then we can expect something would happen on a sixth day in the life of Jesus. What happened on a Friday with Jesus? He was crucified!

So get this now – The cross of Christ was the double portion; the more than abounding blessings that God had given to us and now what comes the day after Jesus died? It is the Sabbath. Do we realize that the Sabbath is a test to see whether we trust in the full provision made for us at the cross?

Every Sabbath we keep, we are saying, I trust in the full provision made for me at the cross. I will rest in him. That means, I am resting from my own works (Heb. 4:10). What are my own works? The works of the flesh. The Sabbath reveals our ultimate trust in the sacrifice of Christ. To deny Sabbath is to deny the cross. Denying the cross is Anti-cross and Anti-Christ is Anti-cross.

]]> By: Sherman Haywood Cox II http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-2435 Sherman Haywood Cox II Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:52:12 +0000 #comment-2435 I still don't' understand...Are you saying that you are under the impression that I agree with Jakes views on the Sabbath as not being legitimate? Certainly one can disagree with my article...that is find, but I find it hard to believe one has read this article and come to the conclusion that I agree with Jakes that the Seventh day Sabbath is illegitimate...That's why I assumed you hadn't read the article...perhaps I misread you...can you expand on your statement? I really find it interesting that the original poster disagrees with my article and then makes some of the same arguments that I make in it...That is why I assumed he had not read it... God bless... I still don’t’ understand…Are you saying that you are under the impression that I agree with Jakes views on the Sabbath as not being legitimate? Certainly one can disagree with my article…that is find, but I find it hard to believe one has read this article and come to the conclusion that I agree with Jakes that the Seventh day Sabbath is illegitimate…That’s why I assumed you hadn’t read the article…perhaps I misread you…can you expand on your statement?

I really find it interesting that the original poster disagrees with my article and then makes some of the same arguments that I make in it…That is why I assumed he had not read it…

God bless…

]]> By: harry masina http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-2434 harry masina Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:30:26 +0000 #comment-2434 well certainly im under the impression u agree. my question is what is the purpose of the sabbath to u as an individual because clearly you are telling everybody that they should read the article thoughroughly please make your views very clear on the sabbath that is made for men and not men made for the sabbath. well certainly im under the impression u agree. my question is what is the purpose of the sabbath to u as an individual because clearly you are telling everybody that they should read the article thoughroughly please make your views very clear on the sabbath that is made for men and not men made for the sabbath.

]]> By: Sherman Haywood Cox II http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-2432 Sherman Haywood Cox II Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:02:44 +0000 #comment-2432 Yes...the Sabbath was never a shadow as you have noted. In addition, however, Jakes' argument that the day is not important because it is more important to have the person than the day, does not prove what he wants it to prove. In the article, I use that argument to show that he does not even believe it for his wife would not be happy if he ignored their anniversary because he "had her and not the day." As I have argued in the article... Surely if you have read the whole article you would not be under the impression that I agree with Jakes on the issue of Sabbath? Please read the whole article... Yes…the Sabbath was never a shadow as you have noted. In addition, however, Jakes’ argument that the day is not important because it is more important to have the person than the day, does not prove what he wants it to prove. In the article, I use that argument to show that he does not even believe it for his wife would not be happy if he ignored their anniversary because he “had her and not the day.” As I have argued in the article…

Surely if you have read the whole article you would not be under the impression that I agree with Jakes on the issue of Sabbath? Please read the whole article…

]]> By: harry masina http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-2431 harry masina Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:07:00 +0000 #comment-2431 i think what jakes is saying is not true in the sense that the sabbath is the shadow and the fact that GOD gave the sabbath to the jews to remmember that rest was broken,the sabbath is a symbol of rest in it men shall rejoice and give praise to the creator it is a covanent between GOD and his people the bible says in genesis 2;2 he rested from all his work and blessed the seventh day so it is up to men whether they want 2 follow the true god or follow jakes theory because jakes is totally missing the point with all his myths he's only deviating the children of GOD from the real truth by which they might be saved. i think what jakes is saying is not true in the sense that the sabbath is the shadow and the fact that GOD gave the sabbath to the jews to remmember that rest was broken,the sabbath is a symbol of rest in it men shall rejoice and give praise to the creator it is a covanent between GOD and his people the bible says in genesis 2;2 he rested from all his work and blessed the seventh day so it is up to men whether they want 2 follow the true god or follow jakes theory because jakes is totally missing the point with all his myths he’s only deviating the children of GOD from the real truth by which they might be saved.

]]> By: Edwin M. Cotto http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-1834 Edwin M. Cotto Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:11:09 +0000 #comment-1834 Response to TD Jakes found here: http://adventist-defense-league.blogspot.com/2008/12/response-to-td-jakes.html Response to TD Jakes found here:

http://adventist-defense-league.blogspot.com/2008/12/response-to-td-jakes.html

]]> By: Elder Engleburg Toney http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-1771 Elder Engleburg Toney Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1771 Are you kidding me? "Good?" Maybe you need to go back and look up the word good, brother, because that sermon was anything but! It has set the Movement back almost a hundred years. You can't possibly think that his oration of the Sabbath is beneficial to any sincere seeker of truth. Furthermore Isaiah said, "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil!" (Isaiah 5:20) It was EVIL for it teaches people to depart from Biblical Truth! I believe you too are so enamored with the man that you are blinded by his lack of biblical scrutiny. We are suppose to lift up the standard not circumvent it. Christ can not be separated from the Sabbath. Keep the Faith! And don't be blinded by the artificial "light!" Are you kidding me? “Good?” Maybe you need to go back and look up the word good, brother, because that sermon was anything but! It has set the Movement back almost a hundred years. You can’t possibly think that his oration of the Sabbath is beneficial to any sincere seeker of truth. Furthermore Isaiah said, “Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil!” (Isaiah 5:20) It was EVIL for it teaches people to depart from Biblical Truth! I believe you too are so enamored with the man that you are blinded by his lack of biblical scrutiny. We are suppose to lift up the standard not circumvent it. Christ can not be separated from the Sabbath. Keep the Faith! And don’t be blinded by the artificial “light!”

]]> By: shermancox http://www.sabbathpulpit.com/t-d-jakes-and-the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-1772 shermancox Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-1772 I doubt you read my article sir, thank you for you comments, but please read the whole article before commenting... I doubt you read my article sir, thank you for you comments, but please read the whole article before commenting…

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